“…it is that a common undercurrent of the rhetoric is that liberals wish to destroy all that makes our country great.”
Well, yes. Conservatives do believe that much (perhaps not all) of what liberals want will do severe harm to our country, and will undermine many of the things that make our country great. If we agreed that liberals’ ideas were good, or at least harmless, we wouldn’t be conservatives (duh). Saying “Atrios wants to do something that will destroy our country” is NOT the same as saying “Atrios wants to destroy the country.” The former is a claim about Atrios’ idea; the latter is a comment on Atrios’ motives. The former is a perfectly legitimate argument; the latter is not. It is important to distinguish between them, both when making an argument and when evaluating your opponent’s argument. I think that people commonly mislead themselves in whatever way is most convenient for their side; that was the point of my long post below about Bill Quick.
And, of course, if you convince yourself of the factual correctness of the conservative position—if you strongly believe that, say, affirmative action is highly destructive, then the position of some liberals looks to you like anti-Americanism. If you think we absolutely must invade Iraq to save American lives, people who oppose that look stupid or hateful to you.
I might also point out that it is a common undercurrent of Left rhetoric that conservatives are racist, fascist, sexist, etc., that conservatives don’t care about the poor or the sick, or that Republican presidents throw old people off of cliffs. If you are strongly convinced that Social Security is literally saving lives, it becomes easy to portray Bush as a murderer. If you strongly oppose war in Iraq, then Jim McDermott’s frankly foolish comments get a free pass because he’s supporting a good cause. To be honest, I rather be called unpatriotic than racist.
(BTW, I’d love to see my favorite liberals spin this Flash movie—just a joke, right? Not nearly as serious as a Bush quote out of context, right? Does this not illustrate beautifully what I mean?)
Yes, Atrios, I think you (and Al Gore, and Ted Barlow) are trying to destroy the country, in the sense that I think you support some exceptionally bad ideas. Yes, I think you want to change the character of the U.S. to something different than what the Founders intended. Presumably you think my ideas are terrible, as well, and perhaps that I am obstructing the proper realization of the Founder’s ideals. That doesn’t mean I hate you or want to have you shot in the street, or want to exclude you from the debate, or whatever. But the rioters who burn David Horowitz’s books, or deny Netanyahu the chance to speak have a different perspective on the proper place of conservatives. I am unaware of any conservative riots which have shut down liberal speakers, but I’m open to hearing about them.
And, incidentally, I don’t thing that hatred of America automatically disqualifies anyone from the debate. It lessens their credibility, sure. But motivations are less important that actual argument.
